Ganed Aman Vedi yn Hounslow, Llundain, lle cafodd ei fagu gyda’i nain a thaid ar ochr ei dad, ac yna symudodd i Gymru pan oedd yn wyth oed. Ganed ei fam - Ravi Vedi - yn Uganda a daeth i'r DU fel ffoadur yn 1972, gan ymgartrefu yn Southall, Llundain. Symudodd y teulu i Gymru yn 2008 ac maent wedi byw yma ers hynny. Symudodd Amman i Southall i ailgysylltu â’i dreftadaeth, ac mae ganddo farn dreiddgar ar fod yn Asiaidd a thyfu i fyny yng Nghymru.

Trawsgrifiad o gyfweliad gydag Aman Vedi
 

Robin: Could you tell me your name, your year of birth and where you were born.

Amman: My name is Amman Vedi. My year of birth was 1994 and I was born in Hounslow, West London. 

Robin: And could you tell me about your early life? What was it like in Hounslow?

Amman: My early life in Hounslow was great, actually. I lived around both sets of my grandparents. So, I would go to school. I went to a school called Andrew Ewing and after school, because my parents were working, one set of my grandparents would pick me up one day and another set another day, and I was only there until I was eight. But I remember it being, nice, idyllic and being very close to my family.

Robin: So, you moved then from West London to Wales as a child. How old were you when you moved and what was that sort of transition in life like for you?

Amman: I was eight years old, I believe, and the transition for me felt, when I look back on it, was very fast. My memory of it is essentially being told that this was happening and then very quickly, saying goodbye to my friends, and then my next memory is being on the Severn Bridge, right going to Cardiff and I don't think, I don't remember being particularly happy about it. I'm sure it was a much longer process than that, but that's what I remember. I just remember it being very quick.

Robin: Yeah, our brain does that to us when we're kids, you pick out those, those big sections. And how did that make you feel?

Amman: I think I didn't really understand it fully. I think that's probably one of the things that. You know, in my memory it's so quick because I don't know if I protested, but I probably didn't protest because I don't really understand what was going on. But, yeah, to be honest I don't remember much of it. It was just very fast and suddenly I was in Wales.

Robin: And then tell me about your life in Wales then.

Amman: Well, you become…you become aware very quickly of what you are culturally because you were suddenly very different. Right? So, when I was at Andrew Ewing, when I was at my school in in Hounslow, you know, 40%, 50% of the people look like me. You know, my best friend as a kid was Asian, like me. But then, you know, as soon as I got to the school in Cardiff, it's like I'm looking around and I'm like, oh right - I'm the odd one now. And you know the other Asian kids are sort of few and far between. So you very quickly realise that you're the minority. And that's not to say that was like, it wasn't like a painful experience, but it does make you sort of want to fit in? Right? You're now…you have to make an extra effort to fit in because you are different from these people, But, but you know, I made friends, I quite liked going to school. I can't say that it was…it was mentally difficult, but it I don't think that there was…there were other people or, you know - nobody was making it difficult for me. Which I suppose is the best I could have hoped for, really.   I don't think I've ever been, like, super connected to my culture. I think certainly you know being in Wales for that period of time where like to be honest with you, it's - I think kids at that age they will invest time and do the things that are valuable for their survival. And that I think that aspect of my culture wasn't you know, to be honest, it wasn't useful to be surviving in that environment. So, I don't think I shunned it, but also at the same time it just wasn't useful to me. And at the same time, I wasn't really surrounded by anyone who was, you know, invested in their own culture at that level.  So for example, you know, if I went to Wales and I'm hanging out with an Eastern European or, you know, somebody from another part of Asia and they're super interested in their culture, that might have encouraged me, but I didn't experience that. I think a lot of our attitudes as kids were, you know, we're just trying to fit in and figure it out and have a bit of fun. And also, the other thing is, the people I think in my life when I was young who were proponents of me being in touch with that side of my culture were my grandparents. Right? Especially on my dad's side, right, because my granddad on my dad's side is like… he was involved with the local Samaj, and you know he…he was very heavily a figurehead of the culture in his area.  But moving away from that it means that you know…they don't have the same influence. Maybe they couldn’t encourage you to do the things that they might have wanted you to do. So, even though we went to see them, you know, like most weekends, so most weekends we would come back to London to see family and to stay connected to them - it's not quite the same. So, it's like, I was moved from London and then I think maybe if I had stayed in London, I would be more in touch with that part of my culture, almost certainly. But that's just not how it worked out, but the other interesting thing is my partner is from India, from Mumbai. So, for me personally, now is the time where I'm learning a bit more about that side of my culture through her. Right? So, it's taken 30 years, but it's calm, I guess.

Robin: That's great. That's so interesting. What was what was something you liked about Wales then? In school? You said you enjoyed school. What was sort of things that if any, what was something you’d say you really enjoyed about Wales?

Amman: Wales is…I can never fault my parents for moving us to Wales. I think when I was a kid I looked… when I was a kid, I might have looked at it like what the hell is going on? When I was older, I might have said, well, I wanna go back to London, but I understand that they would have done it so that we could have a better life. So what did I like about Wales? It enabled me to have a better life. It's picturesque. It's small. It's a good place to raise kids. People are friendly. It's easier financially. My parents live in a beautiful area. They have tree lined streets. They have a flower garden across the road from them. They have a beautiful lake with a greenhouse not on their property, but you know a community one.  And other other benefits were things like the government is a bit more reasonable, you know like…I'm sure we'll talk about this later as well, but…they paid 60% of my tuition after they raised the tuition fees. So, the ramifications of me moving to Wales are still with me now because it's the size of my student loan. My student loan would be triple the size if I hadn't have lived in Wales. So, I think there are a lot of things I liked about Wales. I also think the schooling and the education combined with the fact that it's such a nice place to live allowed me to concentrate on doing the best I could at school, right? So I wasn't like...my parents didn't have to worry about me mucking around in the streets, right, or getting involved with this and that. Whereas like in areas of London like this, you know, kids are mucking around in the streets and, you know, doing things they probably shouldn't be and you know, after school, they might be free because their parents were at work. Well, when I was in Wales and my parents were at work after school - I went to after school club at the local church and I kicked footballs around and played N64 and stuff like that, and that place was right next to my house. Right? So, it's like the…it's just to me it's a much softer place to be raised, to live, and to grow up. So I liked it for it's sort of…what to me now after living in London… seems like a dream like quality that it has. 

Robin: So let's go to university. So you said you went to study computer science, right?

Amman: Yeah.

Robin: What was that process for you, like, in school? How did you become interested in computers? And why did you pick London for university?

Amman: Yeah. How did I become interested in computers? I wasn't interested in computers, I was interested in making games. I wanted to make a game and I had to go through a computer to do that, so I learned programming to make just to make a silly little game and I just found that the way that I thought lent itself very easily - like I if I had an idea - the way it's structured in my brain was very close to the way it was structured in code. So, for me it was like…this is a really easy way for me to express myself, which I suppose is the way a lot of people find what they're supposed to do in life, right? It's how they express themselves. So I had the benefit of that…of getting involved in coding pretty young. I don't know 15? 14 / 15, something like that. I had parents who were supportive, who would buy me computers and let me hack away at them. Let me even once pick up a computer off the street and bring it home and just leave it in the hallway for a long time. I had teachers who were genuinely interested in their subjects…and one of the other things is in Wales…they offered me computing as a…I think it was an A level and we had a fantastic teacher called Mr Henshaw, and he'd been in computing since the era of the like the punch cards where he used to have to load code into computers and punch cards. You'd put them in, and then you'd wait until the next day to see if something went wrong with your programme or it could give your result. 

So, yeah I think from all sides, I was put in a very good position to be able to pick what I wanted to do very young. Which I think is a big privilege. Right? To know that…to be supported and to have a schooling system that sees that as valuable, right? And the I mean the process after that I mean…it's a pretty well-oiled machine these days. So, how did I decide to come back to London? Number one, I think firstly, I knew that there were good universities in London. I did look at other universities like I went to look at York. I also quite liked Bristol. Which also has like a great computer science programme, so does York, but I missed the city. And I was never disconnected from it because we would come back every weekend…like a lot of weekends, we would come back, stay with family, either here in Southall or with my grandma or in, like, near Slough with my dad's brother or even in the earlier days with my grandparents in Hounslow. So I was constantly coming back. So I think I knew by that point that I missed it. There are there are good schools there and there are opportunities there that I can take. And that I was ready to go. I didn't mind moving away from home. And I just thought it was a good time to do it. You know? There didn't seem to be any sort of downside to me. I didn't feel like I was leaving something because I knew my parents would be, you know, available if I needed them. And I think I was ready for independence a bit, you know?

So, I was doing computer science, I was in my third year and I got a job offer from a company that does sports websites, right? And I was super into football at that point, but they actually were based in Reading, right? No, not Reading - Basingstoke. So, actually I went to live there for two years. Right, so I went from London to Basingstoke and, for me, that wasn't me wanting to leave London, but that was me basically taking an opportunity that I thought could underpin my career and to a certain extent it has, because when I go to job interviews and stuff, that's the those are the pieces of work they want to talk about. But then I think I found it quite isolating there and after being in London, I like when I'm saying I was in London…I was like the first year at my university, I was living on Tottenham Court Road, basically around the corner from Tottenham Court Road and you know, after that I was living, you know two, three stops away from Tottenham Court Road. Right, so really, in the centre, in the mix and then going from that to sort of deadness, I think grated on me after a while and I basically said at some point I've had enough of this…my the company I was working for at the time actually had an office in London as well. So I said to them look, can I can I just move to London? And what I ended up doing was my grandma was here in Southall, so I thought, OK, I'm going to… I'll ask here if I can come and stay with her for a while and then I'll figure it out after that. 

So, I came back and then I lived in Southall and had a great time actually, I mean, you know, people say some things about living with your grandmother, but I had a fantastic time. I think it's a very, very, very important time in my life. I think that's the time when I actually got to know her, like as a person. Because obviously when you're a kid growing up, you kind of take it for granted oh this is grandma. What is she? Well, she's just my grandma, right? But those are the times when you know I would speak to her, understand her life. I've many, many of her stories recorded. You know, so I know a lot about her journey here. Her…you know the relationship between her and her husband, what happened on her wedding day, things like that. You know which are things that…you know, now that she's unfortunately passed away, things have become very important, you know, and worth their weight in gold, really. So, yeah, and the transition wasn't easy because I really wasn't enjoying it out there in the sticks, but once I got here I was immediately at home. I was in a place that I'd known - she'd lived in that house for 30 years. I'd grown up there. I was like, immediately grounded in sort of the place that I felt like I came from. You know? And I stayed here ever since.

Robin: Wow, that's so lovely that you said about your grandma. I would love to hear it. So is that stories from Uganda or from India or?

Amman: Well, they're stories from everywhere, really. And she mostly talks about Uganda, I think that's probably because that's the time that she enjoys reminiscing about because when she was in India, she lived through the partition.

Robin: Where was she in? Where was she? Which side? Do you know?

Amman: I have to be honest, I have no idea. I think I've spoken to her about that once, maybe? All I know is that that she's she saw some quite horrific things, but when she, when she met or was arranged to be married with her husband, their life after that for a certain period was idyllic.

He was a bank manager. He was very successful for his age. He was very forward thinking in the sense that him and my grandmother were a team. There was no sort of layer of subservience there. He didn't drink. You didn't do drugs or anything like that. You know, they built a very a very good situation for themselves. They had beautiful house, they had land. And then obviously, you know later on with Idi Amin and the, you know, exodus of a lot of the Asian people, it obviously came falling down, but most of the things that she liked to talk about were in that period. Yeah.

Robin: OK. So we're going to go jump back a step. I realised I just skipped a few questions. So when you came to university from London the first time, was there any sort of…How did you occupy your spare time, if that makes sense, because your mum spoke a lot about sort of coming from West London and then she went to Cardiff and everyone was quite sort of…She felt they were very middle class and she found it quite hard to fit in, so she took part in lots of cultural activities and stuff like that…was that sort of something you felt the need to do, or not really?

Amman: No, not really because I was back in my element, right? I was, I was back in London. I was somewhere multicultural. I was around people like me and that doesn't just mean Asian people, you know, it means a lot of things. It means people who are interested in the same things as you. It means people who have the same, you know…I know people who have exactly the same family history that I do right where their parents or their grandparents were in East Africa. Then they came here and they were born here, right? So, I didn't find any further need to, you know, connect with that side of myself because I feel like it was sort of…you know… it was…I just felt more at home than I did. I wasn't striving for, you know, any closer connection because I was back where I wanted to be.

Robin: Yeah. Perfect. Yeah. That difference is so interesting…but generationally it’s fascinating.

Amman: Well, cause she's… I guess she's doing the opposite, right? I never thought of it like that. She's yeah, yeah.

Robin: Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So you're sort of doing the opposite and then? It's kind of great. OK, yeah. I don't want to get too involved in like family, but yeah. OK, so then here we go.  So, then we're gonna go jump forward again, to Southall. So you've moved in with your grandmother just here, and then you've got your own place. How was settling in? How did the community feel when you came here? Not necessarily community…sort of like a wider one, but just day-to-day, how did you feel in Southall after sort of moving here for some while, what was that experience like?

Amman: The first thing I noticed I think was that it hasn't really changed in a long time. I think it's fairly unique in in terms of London in that sense that the demographic here is largely still the same, the High Street is largely still the same. If you look at Southall Broadway, it's still mostly like Indian wedding shops and there's very few of these sort of like national chains. It's resisting gentrification, probably as well as anywhere in history has, right - it will come, but it will be slow in Southall I think. So, I knew that the soul of Southall still remained, it’s not perfect. Southall has grit, but I think I missed a certain level of grit when I was in Wales because I think grit or... Everything not being quite perfect does lead to a bit more of a sense of adventure. You know, like there's, you know, like, you feel accomplished, that you are surviving here, right, or that you know how to move around these streets or, you know, where to go and. Not where not to go. And that aspect certainly hadn't changed. You know, you've got, you know, dodgy streets, you've got the nice streets often right next to each other and because it is very multicultural, Southall but it is obviously divided still because it's multicultural, but every culture will have its own sort of area, like you'll go down towards King Street and you'll have the row of shops where you know they're mostly occupied by the Somali community. And other communities will occupy other areas. Right, which is natural, but, for me it was great because I missed that like heavy multiculturalism, right? Cardiff is great and everything you know I've mentioned about it, it's true, but it doesn't have that to the level where like I feel like I blend in, right, and I think I need that. I'm not super, super connected to that…at that level to my culture, but I like being around it. I loved coming back to Southall and then Diwali comes and the fireworks go. 

I love it when they shut the streets and you know, people are handing out food and you can just walk around and you know, enjoy the festivities. I love it when there's even a wedding venue here. I love it when they, you know, they shut down the streets with their cars and everyone comes out dancing. And I love it, I love the noise. I love the effort that everyone puts in. Right? There's never, ever a dull day here. Right, there's always something going on or there's always something going wrong or there's always something fun going on. So, it's the same and it hasn't changed much, but the most important thing is it's kept that energy, right? And that's the people who live here. And I think that's what I really love about Southall is that if I'm not connected to my culture, then this place will show me. Right? I don't have to search it out, you know? It will show me and I'll ask questions and I'll naturally become you know, have a better understanding of what is going on because right there in front of me.

Robin: That was great.  So do you think you could see yourself settling down here?

Amman: No

Robin: Why is that?

Amman: Why is that? I think Southall to me was about…I personally consider it the place that I'm from. And I've been from a lot of places, right? Southall, Hounslow, Cardiff. So I get to choose right? I get to choose which one of those places means the most to me, and that's what Southall is to me. But a lot of the meaning behind that was attached to my grandma, right? It was the warmth of her place. You know her food, all of the family coming around and being in one place. These are the types of memories that I consider, the things that made me who I am and gave me a lot of my values right? But she's passed now and I think I love Southall, but it's not the same, you know? It's just not quite the same and on top of that, I have had the privilege of exploring other parts of London, right? I still know that London is where I want to be. And you know, there's other areas of London that I would like to live in, right? There are other places that are like Southall. There are other places that are very different to Southall that I want to experience. So I think, I think Southall for me is about a place that has partly made me who I am, along with all the other places I've lived. But it's also about a point in time, right? When my grandma was here. And it's just…its value is in that point in time. The reason I'm here and that I live in this place in particular was because I was close to her, right? Ad I think I'm ready to move somewhere else and let this be somewhere that I'm very close to and have a very good memory, but let it be what it is and make memories in a new place.

I think that's one side of it. The other side of it is. Southall is very busy, it's polluted, it is polluted. There's not a lot of greenery. It is becoming more built up and it's becoming gentrified, Southhall  will not be like this in 10 or 15 years. There is an enormous amount of development being planned, enormous, and I find it very difficult to imagine that that doesn't have consequences. And the consequences of that are that some of these things I've talked about won't happen any more. And that's OK, I'm OK with that because at least I got to experience some of it. But I just think, it's going to change - it's going to change and that and that's a good thing and it's a bad thing - it's everything but it's gonna change. It's not always gonna be what it is now.

I think yeah, it's... I'm sure it's changed like…even in my mum's lifetime…I'm sure it's changed massively. To be honest, like even some, some things have changed. You know it is getting gentrified a little bit and one of the one of the things I like to look at and notice is who gets off the train. Right? Now if you want to talk about change even when I moved here only…what was it. It's now five, maybe five…five and a half…six years ago, even in that short period when I moved here Indians only getting off the train only. exclusively. Well, there is…there is there's…so there's the Indian community and there's also a Polish community here. So the Indians and the Polish getting off. But now vastly different because you have these new flats being built and because of the Elizabeth line, we've, you know, we're 25 minutes to Tottenham Court Road now. Demographic has changed. Being gentrified, you can notice it. Also, the other thing is that you notice people coming here now for like you know days out or like, you know, London tourism. Right, like the same way people might go to Shoreditch or something like that, you start to notice that a little. So, I think probably the biggest change that I've seen is probably development and demographics.

Robin: Do you think it could be the new Brick Lane? You know, like what Brick Lane wants? Do you think that could happen in Southall? To that extent?

Amman: I think it's got. It's got well, I mean, what ingredients doesn't it have?

Robin: It's exactly the same in many ways.

Amman: It's exactly the same. I think I personally think what they're missing is they just need a little bit more of the like generic stores like if the High Street. The thing I've been saying is if they put a Nando's here, they'll make billions, right? They don't even have a Nando's. They put a Nando's there, you know, a couple more supermarkets and stuff like that.. You know, I don't see why it can't be the next, like hip happening area. And I would argue that that's what they're planning for because a lot of the development here is geared around, OK, they're going to put a new shopping centre, they're going to put a cinema, they're going to try and redevelop some of these buildings on South Road. You know, and I think in terms of the Council's view, I believe Southall has one of the highest population growth in the borough. Right? So… and I think it's been, it has been identified as like an area for development by the mayor, right? So it's part of the funding for things like, you know giving us new pavements and things like that. So I think there's willingness to invest in Southall - clearly, and I hope that continues. But I hope it’s in one of the minority of places like, you know, Brick Lane or, you know, even places like, you know, Shoreditech and things like that, that keep a little bit of their soul and a little bit of that grit. You know? Things that things don't become too clean. Right? That there's still a bit of rebellion in Southall. Right, that they don't clear all of that out because really that's what the soul comes from. You know?

Robin: Final question. What's one thing you would miss about Southall if you had to leave? Well, when you do leave by the sound of things, what are you going to miss?

Amman: What am I gonna miss? I’ll miss a lot of things, actually. I'll miss…I'm saying the Southall is a concrete jungle, but we do have, like, the Grand Union Canal. I'll miss the Grand Union Canal. I'll miss my fruit shops. That is a big part of my life. I don't really eat sweets, I just eat fruit. So you know, and these are fruit shops that you know, sell like guavas and, you know, all types of exotic fruit and passion fruit and, you know, Alfonso mangoes, I imagine personally that I'll still come back during mango season to get the mangoes. Right? So, I'll miss my fruit shopping. I think I'll just miss being close to, you know, a place that's very important to me and feeling very tied to the streets that I live in, because wherever I move next, it will be a bit foreign to me. Yeah. Fruit mainly.

Robin: Yeah, we’ll go get some. OK. So thinking about leaving. What... gonna bring it back to Cardiff briefly. What would you say in your mind is the sort of…as an adult now and you said you’re going back to Cardiff this weekend to see your parents. What are the main differences you sort of... perhaps thinking culturally and the way you feel your parents feel, what do you think are the main differences between Cardiff and Southhall for you?

Amman: Cardiff is very small, it's a city. It's very small geographically, like you can comfortably walk from where we live in the sort of suburbs to the city centre in 25 minutes. But it's also very small in the sense that, you know, people know each other, right? Southall and London in general, are a lot more anonymous, right? Just because of inherently because of their size, but also because people are, you know, people are focused on their own communities, their own families. And, you know, I think that's probably one of the biggest differences. Like - socially. People are more friendly, I think in Wales, maybe by the nature of the fact that they're more connected, right, they feel like they know each other, it's a smaller community. So socially, they're very different and Cardiff's more peaceful. Like I'm saying that I love you know, Diwali, fireworks and them shutting down the streets and the weddings. These are all very noisy things right? These are not peaceful things and it just happens that I have something inside me that means that I enjoy those things. I don't mind if they are happening at night. But you know, if I go to Cardiff and I fall asleep and then I wake up listening to the birds chirping, there is a certain nice sense of peace, right? I listen to the birds chirping, I wake up, I look outside, there's a tree outside my window. There's greenery. There's peace there. Right? There's no peace here, but you do get something in return for that lack of peace, right? 

You get a bit of excitement and I think that's - for me - at that stage in my life and maybe even in this stage in my life that's what was missing from Cardiff. I think it - I always feel like this when I'm in central London and I walk past something that I had no idea what was going on. So like, I'll be walking through Hyde Park and they'll have blocked off a massive portion of it because there's a rock concert there. I think there's…the idea that London is so huge and there's so much going on that you don't know about and that you couldn't possibly know about, gives it a certain allure to me at this part of my life. But Cardiff doesn't have that. It's like or if it does have it on a much smaller scale, you know you'll be more aware of everything that's going on, which again, that's a certain level of peace, right? Because you know what's going on in your city. But with London you have to be comfortable that you'll probably never know what's going on. Maybe even at the bottom of your road, you'll never know what's going on, right? But you have to be OK with that. 

Robin: That's great. We're gonna go back to your mum because we're sort of thinking about Cardiff and London here.  So you said you know bits and pieces of your mum's coming to the UK. What do you think is the biggest difference between your move….it's kind of interesting because you've moved here for sort of…excitement, away from something that was peaceful. Whereas I think for her, or most people that left East Africa, be it your grandmother, your mother they sort of moved for safety. What do you think are the sort of, there's the obvious ones, but sort of in thinking about your family, what do you think are the big differences between your mother moving here as a child and you moving here later in life, what do you think the difference of experiences? I know that's a hard question.

Amman: Well, I Ithink the biggest one is probably racial attitude, right? Because I know for a fact that when my grandma came here, when my mum came here, you know, they would have faced, you know, racial discrimination, racial abuse, and if you look out of the window now at Southall, that seems like a ridiculous idea. Right? I think that's the biggest thing - is that demographics have shifted massively and I guess naturally because when a particular group finds, you know, some sort of safety somewhere naturally, they'll, you know, invite and attract other people from that group to settle. Which has obviously happened in Southall, but I think that's got to be the major difference is that I came here and I'm at home, but she was coming here as an outsider right at all levels. Right? She was you know, an outsider in her home, at school. You know, everything is foreign to her, she's coming here, her mother is coming here as a widow right? Which has its own stigma attached to it, remember. So yeah, I would say she found it very difficult to come here. I came here because it was my home, she was leaving her home, I was coming back to mine. Yeah.

Robin: That's, yeah…

Amman: It's crazy. No, it's crazy. It's… I’m going to talk to her about that later.

Robin: OK. Yeah, I think I think that's sort of it. So we'll ask the final question that we like to end on for everyone. If there's one thing, you know, you'd like to be remembered by, say this is the only interview you ever give, I'm sure you'll give many with your computing and…

Amman: Not ones that’ll be remembered.

Robin: But you know what is one thing you think you'd like people to know about yourself or to remember you by. One thing you'd perhaps just like to say to people. What would that thing be?

Amman: Can I think about it for a moment?

Robin: Yeah. Take your time as long as you want. That's fine.

Amman: OK. So it's something that I want people to remember about me.

Robin: Or something you would like to tell people, it's just the sort of thing we ask people at the end to sort of, you know, to allow people to leave a legacy, if you will. To leave something about themselves or to leave a message or something you would deem important, you know, and doesn't have to be related. It can be anything. 

Amman: I think if I had something I wanted people to remember about me, it would be that I worked hard, but the only reason I worked hard was to try and give the people I love a better life. Yeah. And I think if I was to give anyone advice it would be - bearing in mind what I just said - remember not to work too hard because you'll miss out on what's really important. Right? Which is experiences and moments with people that you love and I think that's something…I'm 30, nearly, and I think that's something I'm only just learning. Is what's really important and that  balance there is important.