Casglwyd a golygwyd yr hanes llafar hwn gan Ganolfan Adrodd Storïau George Ewart Evans fel rhan o brosiect Straeon Bawso.

Mae prosiect Storiau Bawso yn brosiect partneriaeth arloesol rhwng Canolfan Adrodd Storïau George Ewart Evans (Prifysgol De Cymru), sefydliad cymorth arbenigol Bawso ac Amgueddfa Cymru. Ariannwyd y prosiect hwn gan Gronfa Dreftadaeth y Loteri Genedlaethol.

Mae caniatâd wedi'i roi i'r stori hon gael ei rhannu

a. Yn archifau a chasgliadau Amgueddfa Cymru
b. Ar wefannau, e.e. Casgliad y Werin Cymru, Bawso, Prifysgol De Cymru, Amgueddfa Cymru, etc.
c. Ar gyfryngau cymdeithasol, e.e. Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn, ac ati.
d. Mewn cyhoeddiadau ysgrifenedig, e.e. adroddiadau prosiect, erthyglau cyfnodolion, ac ati.
e. Mewn unrhyw ddefnydd arall yn unol â nodau ac amcanion y prosiect

[Trawsgrifiad ar gael yn Saesneg yn unig]

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Cyfweliad gyda Gulhan (Storiau Bawso)

Hyd: 00:31:21

Nodiadau: P = Cyfranogwr ; T = Cyfieithydd 

But I thought maybe we could start with talking about the museum, just to get warmed up a bit because she, you seemed quite excited to talk about

T            Yeah.

The museum.

T            Yeah.

So can you tell me, again, what you saw, at the museum, and what it reminded you of?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [She] was really upset because [she] didn’t go anywhere. Come here first time, went with your group, with her children, that museum, first trip their life here in, in here life. So she was really happy and, and her children also really happy to went there and they are really excited. She think, think about her past and with her family’s life and her childhood and there was crochet with her, her mum together crocheted the some jumpers, when she was a young and she think about that and thought about with her children that way and they are, they saw some carpet weaving. Yeah? She think about that things because we are, their childhood, child, we are same, similars, childhood we making, she said, I maked that things. I saw that wools, everything is really beautiful and the, my children also are really happy. So I was really happy because they are the first time went to somewhere else and they are first excited the trip and, and she thinking too much, too much.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Ex, experience before life, their family, their mum, yeah, and she was, she said, really excited that trips in my life, in, in my life first.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            First experi, experience.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Everyone is really kind for them and because they, you are helping too much for her and her children. So she was really happy.

So was it the first time that you had been to a museum, with your family, ever, or just here in, in Wales? Do, have they been to a museum say in Turkey or somewhere else or was this the first time they’ve been to a museum together?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Of course, she went to in Turkey, somewhere else, some, some museum, different things but in Wales, this is first time. So yeah. So it’s, yeah, she is really excited there.

This isn’t one of my questions but I’m just curious about why, why was the museum so enjoyable? What was it about going to a museum that was so enjoyable and exciting? Because it, it helps us to think about the value of, you know, taking people there.

T            Yeah.

So I’m just curious.

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She says, we can social with another people. Socialing, and my children also find some maybe different friends and she got a person, saw, saw different person too much and she thinking about the past because it, first time, it’s first time and also she, her children saw, first time, like museum and she said, we can communication with another people and what did you? [Speaks Turkish]. Yeah, she said, my children was really excited because it’s first time, so their, their life because we, we was crocheted some jumpers, something but children doesn’t know that. So first time saw that things. So they are really excited. Yeah.

Could you tell me a bit about the crocheting you used to do, when you were younger? Could you tell me where you would do it? Who you would do it with, and a bit more detail, how, maybe, a bit more detail about the crocheting?

P            Right. [Speaks Turkish].

T            Yeah. [Speaks Turkish]. Yeah.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [Speaks Turkish]. Too much, I’m confused.

I think it’s better

T            Yeah.

When you do shorter chunks.

T            Yeah, shorter.

Yeah, yeah.

T            When

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [Speaks Turkish]. When she was school, in school, they made, weaving some carpets with her, their, her friends. She think about her friends, together and with her friend’s life, yeah, because the too much friends together making something, it’s

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            And

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Yeah, they have a, they had a, how to say it, a, a, not assessment, with together someone is best, someone is, yeah.

Competition?

T            Competition, yes. She had a competition with friends, think, thinking that things.

P            Very happy, yeah.

T            Yeah.

P            Very, very happy and yeah.

T            Yeah.

P            Very quick we finish and very nice.

T            Yeah, they are making different things and together with her friends, it’s, I think maybe she thinking her friends, missing her friends and life, past life.

Did seeing, seeing the, the weaving and the knitting, in the museum, it made you think of your friends? Is it, is it, does it make you feel closer to them, in a way, I’m wondering?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Yeah.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She, now she is alone, so she thinking, thinking too, too alone, nobody there and it’s think about a, the, the friends, what, was in, in museum, she thinking her friends, she thinking really close because she said, I didn’t forget them and yeah, I can, yes, I am here alone. I don’t have any friends or family there but they are in my head. Yeah.

Lovely. I wonder.

T            Sorry, for the

Yeah, it’s lovely.

T            I don’t, I can’t really explain I think.

No, it’s great.

T            Yeah. Sorry

It’s great. Doing wonderful.

T            For that.

No, wonderful. I wonder if you can remember, and tell us about, one time, one memory, one day, when you were doing this competition? Can you remember one time it happened and can you describe a, a story, can you tell us a story about one time?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Our, in Turkey, has different celebration and 19th of May has a young people celebration, like that. So every school has a competition for that, running, marathon like and some, something like that and she get a, once, she’s running best, so she gets the shoes for that competition and she think about that. Yeah.

So were the competitions also for the weaving and the crochet?

T            Yeah. [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Because it’s difficult making, for children, so we doesn’t, she said, we doesn’t have any competition, we are making together with my friends, she said.

And would you do that in school or at home?

T            Not, in school, yeah.

In school, yeah, and you also said that you would crochet with your family, at home?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            When she was a child, she, her mum made lace, make always lace but she’s like make a jumper like that for, for her niece

P            Brother, sister.

T            And brother and sisters and give them and for, as a, as a gift and, yeah, they are making together. Yeah.

With the crochet and the weaving, were there lots of colours or was it more plain? What kind of colours?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            For, for girls, she will crocheted colourful wools used and for boys, white and blue, together or, or only white, only blue crocheted some different things.

And you were helping your mother, doing this?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Yeah.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Sometimes our, our mum is teacher, teach us and yeah, super.

And you enjoyed it, you enjoyed making?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            Yeah. [Speaks Turkish]. Yeah, happy, yeah.

T            Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Ex, really excited sometimes, she doesn’t sleep before fin, finished.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Yeah?

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            If it’s, if it’s little bit more, want to finish that, after that sleeping. She don’t want to wait another day, making that.

Is there, is there one time where you were finishing something quickly that sticks out in your mind that you can remember, I wonder?

T            Yeah.

Is there one, one specific memory, maybe?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She only doesn’t forget with her mum, together, making something because it, her mum is not here. So she always thinking, thinking that times.

Happy memories?

T            Happy memories. Yeah.

P            Yeah, yeah. Happy memories.

Is there anything else you’d like to tell us about the museum trip, things you saw, things you remembered?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Everything is best, everything is beautiful and

Okay.

T            It is, yeah.

Thank you so much for telling us about the museum. That’s really interesting.

T            Yeah.

Yeah? So the idea with the museum stories is that, maybe one day, someone will go and they’ll see with their eyes, the Welsh

T            Yeah?

The weaving machines and the wool but then they might listen to a story like that and get another perspective.

T            Yeah.

That’s the idea with those stories.

T            [Speaks Turkish].

Yeah?

P            Yeah.

And people can see it, it’s not that different, you know?

T            The

Different, different places, everyone’s

T            Different, yeah.

Doing the same things.

T            Everyone same thing. So

Yeah.

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She said, she saw somewhere else, some, something writing. She said, I don’t know where, what is it, why, what’s writing there but sometimes I think about someone thinking writing here, maybe it’s good for future for her that explain.

It’s important we have everyone’s story.

T            Okay, yeah.

Yeah. Okay, so we’ll move on, now, to the interview questions. Okay? Do you need a drink? Are you okay?

P            Yeah, I am okay. Thank you.

You okay? Yeah?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            Yeah.

Okay.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [Speaks Turkish].

You’re okay? Yeah? So my first question is, can you tell me about your experience of coming to Wales?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            Okay. Yeah.

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            Yeah.

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She came here about six months. Yeah, so she love Wales because they, she said, people is nice, kind and peop, and our, our children happy here and she wasn’t, I don’t know where did she live but she liked Wales more than before life. Yeah.

It’s quite recent, then?

T            Yeah.

Six months?

P            Yeah.

T            Yeah, six months.

It’s not long.

T            It’s not long.

Not that long. Yeah.

P            No, no.

So could you tell me, what do you feel like your relationship with Wales is like now and has, has that changed, at all? Has the relationship, how you feel about Wales, has that changed and how is it, how is it now?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish]. Yeah.

T            Okay.  She said, I for, I start forget the, my bad things, bad life and start new life. She had a one friend about thirteen years before.

P            Yeah.

T            It, she is best friend, and she got another friends, so she met them and she had new friends here and she has another, another country’s people that, but she said, oh my English not enough, now. So I don’t have any, another country’s or Wales people, friends but she has a, too much Turkish friends. Yeah, so she is happy there.

So you have more Turk, more Turk, lots of Turkish friends? Yeah?

P            Yeah.

And you’d like more Welsh friends, is that it?

T            She want.

Yeah?

T            But she, she said, I doesn’t enough English. So

P            Yeah.

T            She need to learn.

Are you doing any English classes or?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Yeah.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            Because she get small child, children, three years old.

P            He goes to school. Yeah. [Speaks Turkish].

T            Next year, she’s, he, he start school. She, he, she will be going to college.

P            Yeah.

Okay. Yeah.

T            Yeah?

P            Yeah. Yeah, I go to college. I am happy.

T            Yeah, yeah.

P            Learning, learning language.

Yeah.

T            Languages.

Could you tell me a bit about what the word, home, means to you, now?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            If you are happy, home is everything in life, in, in our life. Your children will be happy. You will be happy. Home is everything and home is world in your life but if you are happy inside. Yeah.

What kind of things make you feel at home, make you feel happy?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            It’s hard to explain, now.

Yeah. That’s okay. Could you describe a place or a time in your life, that’s important to you?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She would like to have her own home, with her children and together, she, because she doesn’t have it now. So, so she would like to have one home with [her] children.

Would you feel comfortable or would you like to tell me about your childhood?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

No? Okay. You’ve talked a bit about your hopes for the future, getting your house. I wonder if you could tell me a bit more, what your hopes are for the future?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She would like, firstly, she would like to, her children study, learning, have an education and happy life and maybe, after that, she can think herself and maybe she can find somewhere, some new, good ones and new start, with another people, maybe. Yeah, but she said, first are my children and I second. Always, all mum thinking that.

Yeah. When you, once your children have had their education and you feel they’re settled, do you know what you would like for you? What kind of things would make you happy?

T            I don’t understand, now.

I think this, this is interesting about how, as mothers, you might put your kids first and then you think about yourself afterwards. So I’m wondering if, if there’s more hopes she has for herself?

T            Yeah.

More dreams for herself, after her kids are okay?

T            Yeah.

Yeah.

T            I, she also said, we had a healthy life. Yeah, healthy is best. Yeah, and, of course. [Speaks Turkish]. Yeah.

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            If, if the children happy and they had a education or they’re have good life, I will proud of them. Yeah. So I, I will be happy too. So

You talked a bit about a new start, and you’ve met some friends and things were better, now. I wonder if you could tell me a bit about what kinds of things you enjoy doing now? What makes you happy, now? Is there things you do with your friends that you enjoy? You talked about the beach. What, what kind of things make you happy, now?

T            Yeah. [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            She went to seaside with her children and they happy and they’re thinking and she said, everything in my, on my brain, I thinking and seeing fresh airs and it’s beautiful and it was a beautiful day and she lived some people together and we, she, they are making something, fruit or popcorn like that, and they make, had a picnic in the garden. So she liked that and she said, only Ramadan time, she went to her friend’s house because she needed time before in her home. So she doesn’t come back. It’s really difficult to go and come back because she had a time to in, in their home. So she didn’t go too much here, her friend’s home and sometimes they are drinking coffee with her friends and her friends take another friends together. They are drinking, drink coffee and

P            With the shopping.

T            Look, looking, shopping, yeah, walking together. Yeah, like that.

Sounds like a nice community.

T            Nice community. Yeah.

Do you, you’ve talked a bit about being outside, the beach, the garden, how does the out, being outside make you feel?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            If she stay at home, she always thinking, over thinking. So it’s really hard to do, hard that, if she went out, seeing new people, fresh air and how to say, good for her and communication with other people. Yeah, like that. What is, she’s, of course, always if, if I, if we are stay at home, thinking too much, she also, she had a big, bad life. So she always thinking that to me. So if she want, went out, it will be okay.

Is there anything else that you would like to share or that you feel is important for us to know about you and your life, anything else you would like us to

T            [Speaks Turkish].

Know, a part of your story?

T            [Speaks Turkish].

P            [Speaks Turkish].

T            No.

No? Okay. Shall we stop there? You’ve also been working very hard, interpreting? So thank you.

T            No, I am sorry because

No.

T            It’s my first time, I, it’s not really well, I know.

P            No. [Speaks Turkish].

T            But yeah.

We made it work.

T            Oh okay.

So thank you so much.

T            Thank you so much.